Thanks for sharing dynamite and Giordano! I can relate to much of what you both said. Giordano, sounds like you and your wife were made for each other. Good on you both for following your dreams and making it in the art world. Congratulations on your success! Both of you, if you would, I would love to see your work. Send me a link to a website, or just post up some work. I am also interested in hearing a bit more about your artist advocacy group.
Incognigo Montoya
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by Incognigo Montoya inas a child i naturally inherited an interest in art, drawing and painting to be specific.
being a jw, the paintings and drawings in the literature always caught my eye and piqued my interest.
as i got older, and bettered my artistic abilities, i was often encouraged to put bethel as a goal, though it was family friends more so than my parents who suggested that i should pursue a bethel career, using my artistic skills.
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Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?
by Earthmeasured insorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.
im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.
i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.
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Incognigo Montoya
I'm an artist, I completely understand perspective. Perspective horizon is usually higher.
Now, explain to me your perspective. Where does the horizon end? Why has no one found it? Why, in summer at the poles, is the sun visible for 24 hours as it travels a full 360° above the horizon?
For a guy who's studied astrnomy, geography, mechanics, cynematics, quantum physicss you sure are ignorant.
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Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?
by Earthmeasured insorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.
im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.
i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.
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Incognigo Montoya
Or you could go with the simple, scientifically proven, accurate, answer: the earth is a sphere...
You simply cannot have the sun setting on the horizon as it does, incrementally advancing as you move west, without the earth being a sphere. You should get out a little more. Get on a plane, fly around to a few different continents, get back with me when you find the edge...
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Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?
by Earthmeasured insorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.
im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.
i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.
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Incognigo Montoya
Earth measured. Explain this please
Sunset time today, January 8 2019
4:46pm etz. New York City, Ny. USA
4:56pm ctz. St. Louis Mo. USA
4:52pm mtz. Denver Co. USA
5:08pm ptz. San Francisco Ca. USA
6:06pm htz. Honolulu Hi. USA
If you need, I can explain time zones, how they work, and why we need them...
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by Incognigo Montoya inas a child i naturally inherited an interest in art, drawing and painting to be specific.
being a jw, the paintings and drawings in the literature always caught my eye and piqued my interest.
as i got older, and bettered my artistic abilities, i was often encouraged to put bethel as a goal, though it was family friends more so than my parents who suggested that i should pursue a bethel career, using my artistic skills.
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As a child I naturally inherited an interest in art, drawing and painting to be specific. Being a JW, the paintings and drawings in the literature always caught my eye and piqued my interest. As I got older, and bettered my artistic abilities, I was often encouraged to put Bethel as a goal, though it was family friends more so than my parents who suggested that I should pursue a Bethel career, using my artistic skills. Interestingly The outside world was always quick to note my "god given talent", though my parents and other witnesses never attributed my skill as gifted to me by god... just that I should use my ability as a gift offering to god, by using it to help bring praise to him, and work towards joining Bethel. This interested me, and throughout my middle school and early high school careers, it was what I wanted to do. The jws that encouraged me often said that if I qualified for Bethel service, I wouldn't necessarily be used in the art department, but how ever "Jehovah saw fit to use me", though some would quickly follow up by saying surely with my abilities I would be used at some point in the art department. This gave me pause. Art was all I ever thought of. Inside, all i ever wanted was to be an artist, painting and drawing for the rest of my life. I didn't want to spend time doing something else in the hope that I would eventually, maybe get to work in the art department. Later in my high school career, my art interests took a turn and became more specific. I pursued a specific genre of art and painting that would never be used at Bethel, and therefore the idea fell from my radar. I was disfellowshipped at 19, and went out into the world, pursuing my artistic goals, where I found success. I have risen to be amongst the top in my artistic field, respected by my peers worldwide, having my work sold and displayed around the US, as well as a few other places around the world, and have been published in numerous journals, both artistic and secular (I only mention this to explain why I'm being a bit vague, as if I were to give some specifics it might give me away to the wrong person(s). Ok, and I was bragging a little 😉). In perusing the archives on this site, i have come across quite a few others who've followed their artistic careers, in writing, fine art/illustration, or musically. Some of your stories are great and inspiring. I enjoyed reading them, especially some of you who went to Bethel and served in the art department. You see, truth be told, for a long time part of me regretted not pursuing my Bethel dreams. Being a professional artist can be difficult and has it's up and downs. I often thought, even though I was disfellowshipped and long gone, that had i pursued my childhood goal of Bethel service, i would've had less worries and felt more long lasting fulfillment (another artist thing; being an artist can be full of extreme highs and lows. Art is emotional. You're only as good as your last piece, mentally you're always pushing to do more, and better on your next piece, never satisfied with the last) of course I was always taught I would never find true fulfillment outside of the organization, so I attributed these feelings to falling away. See, even though I was Df'd and physically long gone, I still believed and was still mentally in. Interestingly however, it was an incident later on, with my art and JW's, that really helped wake me up. Perhaps I will share that later. I really didn't write this to be about my life, but it kinda wandered that way... lol. Anyway, reading a few of your Bethel experiences definitely made me grateful to have followed my heart instead.
What I was really working towards was the observation, it seems there are quite a few artistic individuals, who were once witnesses. While a great many people possess some sort of amateur artistic abilities, very few pursue an art form as a profession. Yet, it would seem a few of us here, have. I am intrigued, a bit. Perhaps it's due to the fact that artistic interests weren't as discouraged as say sports or other secular pursuits. Perhaps there's another reason. Maybe my acute senses are noticing something that's not really worthy of mention (kinda like when you buy a car, and then start noticing all the other cars similar to yours...)
Anyway, if you are an artist, painter, musician, writer, I love reading and hearing your experiences. Thank you.
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Have you ever considered trying ancestry.com?
by minimus ini was recently given a gift of ancestry.com and i’m curious if anyone else has used this service?.
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Incognigo Montoya
I took the ancestry DNA test and 6 months later, they arrested my dad, the golden state killer... 😂
Kidding aside, I find it intriguing how this information is used to pursue fugitives, and crack open cold cases. A bit more disconcerting is what else can, and eventually may be done with your DNA information.
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Any drivers here recognise THIS scenario?
by The Fall Guy ina bbc news report about a "hit & run" victim.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-46762571.
the "victim's" comments are laughable:.
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Incognigo Montoya
IMO texting while driving should be punished the same as driving under the influence. After all, it can, and often does have the same tragic results. It also stems from the same entitled attitude as getting into a car after drinking. The, "I can handle it. I'm not that bad. It's my right to drive and no one can or should tell me otherwise." If caught, you should lose your license with mandatory jail time.
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Any drivers here recognise THIS scenario?
by The Fall Guy ina bbc news report about a "hit & run" victim.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-46762571.
the "victim's" comments are laughable:.
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Incognigo Montoya
😂🤣Sometimes a good rev is all they need. YouTube is full of videos from around the world, where idiot pedestrians or cage drivers, just dont get the rules of the road/etiquette. Now, there are a great many motorcyclists who dont either, and I've been guilty of riding pretty crazy myself. But the ignorant self entitlement of pedestrians and motorists is astounding sometimes. I was taught, at an early age, to move quickly when crossing a street, after looking both ways and assessing ample time to make it across, without obstructing traffic. Something i adhere to today, 40+ years later. Even if I have the right of way, I hustle. Human body vs automobile, is no contest, and I have scars that remind me of that fact every day. Even if you're in the right, you lose, and trust me on this, it's no fun.
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On the Subject of Demons, I Have a Story to Tell.
by snugglebunny ini have posted the full story on a fb site.
so my apologies to anyone who's already read it.
some of what i've written is what was told to me by my father.
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Incognigo Montoya
Great story! Good for you, finding your own way and coming out the other side, happy. Thanks for sharing.
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Any drivers here recognise THIS scenario?
by The Fall Guy ina bbc news report about a "hit & run" victim.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-46762571.
the "victim's" comments are laughable:.
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Incognigo Montoya
Ultimate Axiom, as a motorcycle rider myself, I have to agree with you. I have all but stopped riding here in the U.S. as people insist on texting while driving. I see it almost every time I'm out driving. Even tractor trailer operators, professional drivers, are texting while driving. It's insane. Like something out of a Stephen King novel, you look around and everyone around you is zombie like, heads down, looking at their damn phone. And pedestrians, dont even get me started. Bastards actually slow down when they get into a crosswalk, if they even use a crosswalk. And then there's the lovely BLM folks who have decided that they can just randomly stage protests, forming human lines, blocking main streets and highways, and the police just sit idly by, observing, afraid to arrest these fools...
I have one of these on my truck, and it makes for great fun, eases the tension, and wakes fools up in a hurry!